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Mishlei 25:26 - When a Rasha Contaminates a Tzadik (Part 2)
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Mishlei 25:26 - When a Rasha Contaminates a Tzadik (Part 2)
מַעְיָן נִרְפָּשׂ וּמָקוֹר מׇשְׁחָת צַדִּיק מָט לִפְנֵי רָשָׁע:
Length: 51 minutes
Synopsis: This morning (5/21/26), in our Morning Mishlei shiur, we reviewed yesterday's interpretations then focused on two meforshim: Rabbeinu Yonah (excerpted from Shaarei Teshuvah, presumably) and the Meiri, who offered several interpretations. Not only were all the ideas we learned good and practical, but this also provided excellent support for my approach to the Meiri's nigleh/nistar style. We had a nice foray into the Derashos ha'Ran!
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מקורות:
משלי כה:כו
רבינו יונה
מאירי
דרשות הר"ן - הדרוש העשירי
אבן עזרא - תהלים א:א
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Uh okay, so this is date two uh Michelai 2526. Mayan Nirpas Omakor Moshkas, Tsadi Mat Lifne Russia. So we said a muddied or so muddied like from uh refes or trampled um uh or stopped up spring, and then a mokor moshgas. Moshgas is runed or contaminated, so uh uh a run or contaminated water source. So is a tsadik who falters or teeters or falls or inclines or bows or flinches before Russia, right? No one really knows exactly uh what that meant. Um, all right. So our questions were why is this not the right spacing? Questions were, what is the subject of the PUSUK? Um, what is the decision-making scenario here? Is this a tsadik making a good decision or a bad decision? Um, I think that's the most fascinating question because we don't usually see a PUSIC about a tzadik making a bad decision. Uh, does the Russia's decision influence our reading in that way, in any way? All right, three, what to what extent is this uh specific to a tzadik and a Russia? And to what extent is this just the paradigmatic case of good Mishleik actor and bad mishlaik actor? Um four, what if anything is the difference between a Mayan and a Makor? Five, factually speaking, what is happening to each of these water-giving entities? What's the difference? Uh in the case of Makor Mashghas, is it no longer even giving any water? Or is all the water in the repository ruined, or is the water coming out of the Makor contaminated? Three different levels of contamination. Six, what does it mean for a tzadik to be Motlifnai Rasha? Uh, what are the parameters of Mott? Uh, is this an instance, a frequent occurrence, a state of being, or something else? Seven, why is he Motlifni Russia? Or does it matter? In other words, do the motives matter, or is it just the reality of him being mott? Uh, eight, who cares? What's the consequence of the Mayan Niapras Makor Matchkas? Are these two or one consequences? And then for whom is this bad? Is this the Tzadik or others or both, or even the Russia? Nine, what's the relationship between the Mashal and the Nimshal? The Tzadik is definitely the Mayan or the Makor. Um, but what is the cause of the Refis or the Hashkhasa? Is it the Russia or is it the Tzadik being Matlifne Russia? Um, what's the practical decision-making advice here? What should the Tzadik have done or been doing? Okay, so we had uh our approach, and then we had the Matzuz David's approach. So our approach, uh, which started with Isaiah, is it's talking about the influence of the tzadik. And even if the tzaddik himself is not actually corrupted, then if the tzaddik falters, and we said that that could mean different things, before the Russia, then his influence can be compromised because um people will assume that he's like tainted, you know. And so my my approach was to say that there are really two instances of this. One is that there's a temporary muddying of the waters, but since the well spring is flowing, it'll eventually clear up. In fact, I wonder if Mayan. No, I was gonna I was gonna say, I wonder if if someone said that Mayan refers to a like source of a river, whereas Makor was like in in a pool of water, that might be better. Because yeah, I don't know. But like because if it's flowing water, then it'll it'll carry away all the sediment eventually, you know, whatever. So um, so in other words, the tiding needs to be aware that these two things can happen. And many times if you're at siding and you make a compromise, you might tell yourself, oh, it's gonna be temporary mud, but then it will eventually get past this, but it might not. Um, so that that's uh uh that's one possibility. And what do we say here? Oh, we said that even a it could be a falling, a bowing, or it could even be a flinching could could cause this. Okay, then we had the Matriz David who said, if you see uh if people see a Tatik start to falter and it looks like he's going to fall, or he is going to fall, people will stop seeking Torah from his mouth, uh, saying if this doesn't benefit him, how can it benefit others? So we asked, what does it mean teetering to fall? And what are the parameters? And we said, why um seeking Torah? So me being the main uh source of his move is Torah equals water. So we said, uh as we gave two possibilities yesterday, either people uh learn for Lolishma tied to worldly success because they believe that this is going to bring them, you know, uh material success, and then um, or that's just their value system and that's all they can see. So when the tzadik is um put into a situation where he is not succeeding, they they think to themselves either his Torah is not good or Torah is not good. And then another oh I'm mixing it up. Oh no, no, the other one is that that Torah actually does lead you to real success in life, and but people might be um what do you call it? They might be uh engaged in results-oriented thinking where they see the tzadiq happens to it happens to not work out for the tzadiq here, and then they dismiss the efficacy of Torah altogether. Yeah, okay. Any other ideas on Matsu's W Dor Isaiah's before we go on? Keep past the tissues. Thank you. Okay, so um I did not have time to uh prepare today, but I do remember Rubina Yonah from I said I have history with this. I'll I'll decide whether I want to share the history. Uh but Rubina Yonah, maybe I'll do it after the recording. Um Rubina Yona and the Miri, I remembered were being were good. And it's weird that we have Rubina Yonah here because where's the Rabina Yona? There is no Rubina Yonah written on chapter 25. Um oh, he does it on two of them. Interesting. Hold on, hold on. All right, so you want hmm. Okay, uh maybe I'm misremembering. I mean, there's a deeper mask hell.
SPEAKER_01He doesn't say anything though.
SPEAKER_00No, he doesn't, but maybe in footnote three, does it say okay, footnote three has something. Od Amr Shlomo Melech. Um I think that's on the next PASI.
SPEAKER_01At least I have it on the next.
SPEAKER_00Oh yeah, you're right. No, no, but but he's quoting our Pasak though, right? Um but he does put them together. All right, let's see what happens. Mukur Mashbas Tadi Matlifany Russia. Yeah, Joseph.
SPEAKER_04You just uh post the Pasak in the chat. I'm just not familiar. I wasn't here last time. I'm just okay.
SPEAKER_00Okay. Um okay, so and then he says, Echoldbosh, harbos lotov, the chaker. Wait, uh yeah, the chaker kovodam kovot. Okay, it's a weird pass. Eat honey, uh eating a lot of honey is not good. Um, the chakr kvodam kovod, but investigation into their covot is kovod. What okay, all right. So, anyway, uh he says, uh, so he quotes the two psychoanalytics. He says, when a person um uh dirties the uh well spring with his feet, yidlach meh mahvisha. Uh what does yidlach mean? Um uh the waters will be the lach. Um yeah, uh you can describe a dictionary uh green dictionary. Um yeah, so rare that I need it. Uh dictionary for Hebrew? It's like but yidloch. What is that? Yidlach sounds either like a um a slang or like it's like an idiom for either little children or some sort of appetizer. Like yidloch is overcooking, or like you gather the yidloch. Yeah, like little children, maybe yidlittle yiddin. Yeah, yeah. Uh all right, dalach is to dirty or make money. All right, there you go. All right, so okay, that's what I would have guessed from the context. So yidloch me mav levicha. So it's waters will get dirty uh temporarily. Ahrechain, yishkutu hamaim, then the waters will settle, they'll be quieted, the yihutzlulim kivarishona, and then they'll be clear like they used to be. Okay, so I I was uh I misspoke. You don't even need it to be flowing waters, it's just that eventually the sediment settles. Okay, cane Hatzadi, so too the tzadi, kasherhu mat leafne rasha, when he I don't know how Rabiniun is reading Mott, he uh before the Russia, Lotuspal Ma'alaso, Volo Timat Ba'avor Zos. His stature will not be diminished. Um, so it will not be lowered or diminished because of this. So the tzadik uh falls seven times and gets up, and he will return to his strength in his covod. Okay, so let's stop there because I don't want to do the next pause again. Yeah, so this is interesting because this might be where I got my initial reading of the first half. Um, but the Rubina Yonah seems to be taking it as stam. But the difference is he's not talking about influence, he's talking about the actual reality of the tzadik, right? That the tzadik will this is an application of Shavaipal Tadiq Vakan, right? So so you cannot ruin a tzadik. So another person might be Mahdifna Racha, and that'll ruin him. Um either because I guess circumstantially he won't be able to recover and rebuild what he had, or it'll ruin him internally, like it'll corrupt his values. But a tzadik is not going to uh to succumb to that, right? I mean, so the question is what's the kiddish? Because given what I know about the tzadik, this is true. Like if he's a tzadik, then he is not going to be. So let's just go, you know, the our my working definition of a tzadik based on the the Ramam's definition at the end of the mora is tzedic means that you're um you're giving to each existing being what is due to it. And so you're relating to all the parts of the system in terms of their needs, in terms of the functioning of the system. And the Russia is trying to impose his own alternative system on to the particulars, which was which are geared towards his own glorification. So the Russia is going to try to dominate the Tzadik and either eliminate him or um take advantage of him in a way that serves the Russia's ends. But the tzadik will be able to adapt, and in many ways, the tzadik is more adaptive than the Khacham, because the Chacham can only see the immediate consequences vis-a-vis himself. So he can maneuver linearly this way and that way. But the tzadik will see the system in reality and will be able to adapt even among corruption. Like, let's say, for example, you are in you know, uh a Russia's world, like let's say you're in outwards, right? And so Nazi Germany has Hold and Hitler the Russia and all his henchmen Rushine are imposing their will and everything. So a tzadik in the camps will be able to see, okay, this is not the right system, but within this system, what can I do to maneuver and to bring about ZEDEC? And so so whatever system he's in, he's going to be able to relate to it via whatever via human nature and actual needs, and then whatever the local system is. So I think you cannot really. I'm using Auschwitz specifically because like you cannot, that's the most oppressive type of uh of system, but even within that, the Tzadi can flourish. Of course, you can't, the Tadi can never escape the circumstances that he can't control, but he can still flourish within that, you know. So I think that's like the real resilience of the Tzadiq uh that uh is unique. So but what's the fiddish though? I mean maybe that's the fiddish, but um I just want to talk it out.
SPEAKER_01Are you learning that the mutt is like based upon the circumstance, but not that the tzadik made a mistake?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I'm I'm learning it's not, yeah. And I yeah, I think that's the more normal Michelin way to learn it. Again, not that Sadikin can't make mistakes. I've just never seen a possible word Sadik makes a mistake. So like I feel like uh dealing with um the closest we can get to that is how he deals with what the what was the word I'm looking for? Not opposition, um not challenges, there's a word I'm looking for, but like where he's dealing with like uh some sort of hostile uh no, yeah, no, you can't. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right, right. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, it's also interesting because originally it is money.
SPEAKER_00Right.
SPEAKER_01So how does that fit into how you right?
SPEAKER_00So I think maybe that's a good opening for Kiddish, maybe, is that um so look here the we're not talking about Torah and we're not talking about influence, right? So so the clear waters are the the either the good or the utility of the system that the tzadik is in. So that utility can be muddied, but the tzadiq himself is a source of new water, which is that he will be able to recalibrate and then produce Tove or utility within whatever system there is. That's my initial thought.
SPEAKER_05Is that what uh Kishevipol Tati.com is about?
SPEAKER_00I think so. Uh yeah, there's it's not resilience, although it's close. Yeah, uh, because the second half of the post was uh Cheva e Poltati.com. Um I gotta find it. Kisheva equal yeah, the rush will find it. I think in the Russian fall is permanent or something like that. Uh Kisheva Yipul Tsadik Vakan, Roshine Yikotalu Bra, and Roshine will stumble in Ra. So that's interesting also because that seems to be talking about the results. That the Russia, because Roshine can also be tenacious, right? But the the endeavor that the Russia is trying to permanently succeed in must permanently fail. So um whereas the Tsidics, because it's rooted in reality, will have a uh a basis that will be successful. Yeah, uh Isaac?
SPEAKER_02Um so I I I think the clear issues that the tonic will be able to to continue to um be flowing uh you know in the in this circumstance. I I would have thought that uh um if a tonic is in a is in a situation where he is you know um where he is having to let's say you know bow before the rush of that um over time that'll have an effect on him and it's gonna like paint the source. Right.
SPEAKER_00Okay. Okay, right. So so let me just try let's just try talking this out. So um or typing this out. So um a uh if a tsadiq is in a situation where he has to um he has to bow before a Russia. One of the uh translators said that. Yeah, the arsenal. We don't we didn't see anyone who said bow yet. Yeah, okay, but um we'll we'll see. All right, so about before Russia. One might think that this would see, I I don't want to say that it would corrupt him, but I do like saying that you that he's gonna continue flowing. So I mean I'm just gonna try doing this. So so this will ruin all the good he has uh he he brings to the world, okay. Uh the the pure water. Okay. However, this ruin will not be permanent because he will keep on flowing, um, and be a source of either, I think this is actually either, either removing the bad. Actually, that's not how Ruby is learning it. He will keep on flowing. It'll settle, yeah, yeah, right, right. Um so this way he will keep on flowing, and the the uh interference of the Russia cannot last, right? That's part of the definition of uh of a Russia, is that he's imposing a uh he it's based on fantasy, you know, it cannot last. Um so eventually um the goodness of the tzadik uh will emerge once again. Okay. Now Isaac's I don't want to dismiss Isaac's thing, is that possibly this is saying that the tzadik uh won't be tainted, which to me to other people that might be a fiddish, but to me I feel like that's what I want to assume in the definition of the tzadik. So yeah, that's why I that's my my only hesitation here.
SPEAKER_02You you'd say the definition of like the tzadik won't be like affected by its surroundings.
SPEAKER_00Um a mishlaik Tadik, yeah. I do think that I don't think it's impossible to corrupt the Tzadik, but I think like the the archetypal mishlayak tzadik is not gonna succumb to his surroundings. And I also think that that's what the Binion is getting at when he says Kisheva Yibotari Pakam. You know, that's talking about that is not talking about the results, that's talking about the uh the resilience. Yeah, Moja?
SPEAKER_02Where does that resilience come from? Was that I think where does that resilience come from?
SPEAKER_00Um, where does the resilience come from? Good question. I mean, I was saying it comes from the way he thinks about the world, right? That that everything operates through systems and there is a reality. So you got those two tools in your toolkit. So you'll know, you'll know, you'll have a uh what do you call it, a north star, which is reality, you know, best north star you can hope for. And you will also have the uh ability to orient yourself through whatever Bid Yeah systems are thrown in your path and be able to bring about the uh like let's let's say for here's a good example, okay? Nach. You know, like all of the obstacles, let's say, of Yoshua going into the land and you know, the people not really being how they're supposed to be, and then the period of Shoftim, and then Davidim, uh, you know, Shalom, you know, uh trying to uh get it, you know, uh overthrow or stop David from becoming king. All of these things are Bidiavid situations, but in each situation, the tzadiq knows what Ratanashem is and then comes up with a system systemic, systematic way to bring about the Tov and to undo the Ra. So I think that's like part of the resilience of the uh that's where the resilience comes from. Does that make sense?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah. Maybe maybe uh the like another way to say it is that when um when he's you know when he has to you know be in the the Russia's system, yeah, he's able to keep the like I'd say like outside perspective um because because he ha has this like systemic uh knowledge. So he does so he's really seeing it for what it is, like like Russia trying to impose a value system that's ultimately gonna collapse. Right. And so then because of that, he doesn't get lost in the like the world of Russia's trying to create.
SPEAKER_00Okay, good. So I I think that's let's let's define that then. His resilience um stems from three qualities. Okay. One is um he is perpetually oriented, oriented toward reality, um uh seeking what is objectively you know good and uh and Ratson Hashem. Two is he thinks in systems and can navigate uh even uh and can navigate to that tove even if it requires um uh Betty Evid systems. And then three, unlike most people, he is not taken in by the Russia's values or vision or apparent success. Uh that's Sadiq Khatamari Prach. Uh or no, the there's the I don't know how am I telling back there? Um the uh in in uh is there a sitter? Um that's the uh what was that? Yeah, you know, but uh the old the earlier one. This is the um this is what I'm doing in Tihalin. Uh Ms. Rashid Mashabas is the Ishbar Loyeda Uxil Loyavina Zos. Okay, so what what does the what does the boar and the Xil not understand? The fruch roshaim kumla isiv that when the Roshaim blossom like grasp the titu kopola oven and all of the doers of iniquity uh blossom, li hisham dam adiai. It's to destroy them forever. It's temporary, they don't they're not taken in by uh by that um uh what do you call it? By that uh you know temporary success. Yeah, yeah. So I think those are the three things that give the Tadi resilience. Mosha, what were you saying earlier? Do you remember?
SPEAKER_05I was gonna say about a kind of example of uh Sadi child bowing to Russia.
SPEAKER_00Right. So I think Mordecai bowing before Haman, literally, or no, sorry, not bowing. Mordechai uh and uh Mordecai being subject to what appears to be the Russia gaining the upper hand, right?
SPEAKER_05Saying them would be being like them Russia, and people still leave Mordecai subject to that.
SPEAKER_00I don't even think it has to do with perception. I think there's an actual like the Russia actually has an upper hand there. But Mordechai knows that if he engages, if he if he does not, so the ordinary person would would cave and and uh and give into the Russia's worldview, whereas Mordechai knows that he can't uh do that because of a vote of Zara. And then Mordechai works to convince Esther to act, and then Esther also doesn't give into this worldview, and they they they they they know what they have to do, they go about it through Chachma, and they don't give up hope based on Haman's, you know, they don't buy into Haman's uh um belief in his own like ability to succeed.
SPEAKER_05So in what sense does it sound like stumbling?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, so it is I I I guess I'm I I don't know how it exactly defined mutt, but I think mutt means that he is um I don't really want to say it. I don't think he I don't think he only said it in the Derek Marshall, right? Uh he didn't he didn't explain it, right? Yeah, m I guess I'm learning mutt as when. So again, that's the uh yeah, I I think um mutt means that the uh there's uh there's a better way to say the Russian upper hand. When he's subject to the will of the Russia in in in in in reality, like in terms of in in in practice, where the Russia has some hold on him or or you know compromise that's why the spring that's clear.
SPEAKER_05Right.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, correct.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yes. Just notice the one thing where you know Sonic would come Vyashav Isanov Khodo.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, that's true. There's Kvoto also.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, the able the Aesano seems to be. How are you understanding Isano strength? His strength.
SPEAKER_00His strength, yeah. His strength was diminished by right, because everything he set up was uh was was ruined.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, Kvodo is the external yeah, correct, yeah, right.
SPEAKER_00But I do you agree with my read that the Rubinho Yonah does not seem to be putting the emphasis on his influencing of others the way that Matsuda Stavid was. Like I think that would be yeah, yeah. Although we haven't seen what he does for Echold Vash Harbos Lotov. We might as well read this, right? Uh forget it next week. Aval Harabos, what was it? Yeah. Um Aval Harob Harbos Hakeker Bhvod Hatsadikim Kovod Ohoker. Uh but too much investigation of the Kovod Tzadikim, Kovod Hachoker or sorry, a lot is not too much. A lot of investigation of the covod tzadikim is to the glory of the investigator. Kinizkar Hatzadik Bapasak Shalomala, because the Tati is mentioned in the previous possibility, in our possibility, umilas harbos, kamishpat uh bimbukum's rabbim. Okay, so in other words, you're supposed to read as a hold harabosloto, but chaker kovodam harbos is covod. Okay. Umilas harbos nimshakos. I just read that. So the stumbling blocks in found in the covet of the Rashim are many and known. Um the in their covod, there is a desecration of the Torah and the Avoda, and it is uh an iniquity that destroys or that makale me nefesh. I don't know what the mefesh is, right?
SPEAKER_01From the soul until the flesh.
SPEAKER_00Okay, yeah, I guess, like through and through. So people are drawn after their shrine and cling to their actions. So those who join with them, even though they're not doing like their actions, they still get punishment or consequences uh uh that are like them because they're they're in the sphere of orbit. This must be from Sharichuva. He loves lists in Shari Chuva. Umot Anche MS Umavatlim Havoda. Wow, this is long. Okay, also they diminish the covot of the Anche Ms and diminish their mediani here, so they deliver. Yeah, right. It doesn't go to the next page though, does it? Um okay, good. Umzulasi, Afraya Hatchkulas, Voda. You know, I'm I'm done here. Okay, let's uh let's go on to uh the Mi'iri. Umri is another one that I had flagged uh last time I did this. Okay, uh, where does it begin? Uh looks like here. Okay. Mayan Nirpas Mukor Mashkas, Sadigma Livne Rasha. Hamayan Pamakor Davar Echadim. Okay, that's a good start. They're the same thing. Okay, so it's the actual source. Okay, that they they go from in a hidden place. The waters there are are of the utmost clarity. Okay, so they get dirty as they're flowing, right? They're picking up sediment from uh from going through the the earth. But at the place of their source where they merge, they're very, very clear.
SPEAKER_05From they're coming from the ground, though.
SPEAKER_00Right, but I think they're coming from like deep within the ground, not like I think he means like trickling along in the water uh on on the surface of the earth or something like that, is gonna get water.
SPEAKER_05Under the earth is just it's like hardened or something.
SPEAKER_00I don't know. This is where my ignorance in when well springs come in. I don't know. Um ask Poland Springs. They get it from the stream source, yeah. Um, but no, but seriously, like like there must be a place where you can get the water from close to the source where it's pure, you know. And but if you get it downstream, it's gonna pick up stuff. Yeah. Um there's that word again. Shamborego, when they're trampled and muddied from underfoot, kasha lateva hakoshikbahem. It's I think this means that basically, like it's um what do you call it? Like someone who desires them is gonna, it's gonna like uh impede his ability to like get satisfaction from them, right? Um uh all the more so when the moshglass is totally ruined. Uh sorry, when the uh makor is totally ruined. See, mismote is a word I mut I don't know what that means. Mismote is he is faltering, you know. Um, I think um before Russia. Bahusha Russia Romso, the Russia is trampling him. Rotlam Vaze umukale also, he's degrading and making light of him. Achu tsark lamo nichna takhas raglav to the point where he needs to be um uh where it's necessary for him to be subdued under his underfoot. In this sense, his chokma is like a mokor maschkas. Sheina mugale chachmaso achar shi bazuya. His chokma will not be revealed because it is degraded. And if it is revealed a little bit, meaning if a little bit of a chokma emerges, it's trampled. Uh, it's not valued with the proper the value that's proper to. So this is very much like the um the what do you call it? It's with uh greater spelling out of what the muscle, uh the mushal is, okay, that uh it's it's pure in the in the source. Uvderch nister ha inin heara, chomir, v nichna tahtav, the hiflig bignus. Interesting. So um let's misus means permanently or or temporarily. Perpetuity, yeah. Yeah, right. Let's uh let's misus, right. So in other words, this is warning you not to let the sechel be sold in perpetuity to the home error, to the physicality and nichna tahtav. Um and vifnuse. So what would that mean practically? Like to the person who needs this advice, don't let your sechel be permanently sold to the home here. I think the rush was trying to convince you to well no are you talking about the derivler or the nister? Because in the der Nister, we're talking internally, totally internally, and no Russia in here.
SPEAKER_05Russia Russia.
SPEAKER_00Oh, you're you're still going in the Nigla, yeah, yeah. And if I just want to make sure where you're going, you can say it though, but I'm asking about the Derek Nister.
SPEAKER_04For me, it's not saying that it's all just like the Russia's like the Tzara.
SPEAKER_00Uh the Russia here is it's funny, he doesn't say it's the Itzarara, but but the the Home Air, uh right? He seems to be saying the the Russia's the Home Air. Usually he says the Russia's the Itzarara. I'm surprised he's not saying it here. Yeah. Like what would that mean to do that permanently?
SPEAKER_05When you get older, like you just get sent in habits and you develop when you're going to be able to do it. Ah, okay. So if you get used to not using your stakeholders or how you spend your time, right? And you only know how to spend your time calling time. Okay, right, right. You have no skills, so your stakeholders are strong enough to do anything. So you end up just like being stuck in all the book doing whatever bad habits you go in your own.
SPEAKER_00Right. Let me just read the Rina Yona that you're talking about. Isaac, appreciate the art. Uh Touch of the Eternal by Christopher Christopher Muller. All right, so uh he this so the Mishnah in Kenim, which we all know, says Rabishom Bhakajia uh 3-6 says uh elderly unlearned men, as long as they continue to age, their das becomes even more agitated. As it is stated, he removes the speech of the capable and takes away the reasoning of the elderly. Uh, but the Torah elders are not like that. Rather, as long as they continue to age, their Das becomes even more settled. As it is stated uh in the Age of Wism and in length of days understanding. So the Ron says, uh, this does not mean that as long as the Torah elders continue to age, the more their wisdom increases, for it is possible this won't happen. Since the intellect is dependent upon physical faculties, senses, imagination, memory, all of which function through the brain, this is my uh introduction, which is a physical organ. It is possible that when these men become exceedingly old these and these faculties weaken, the intellect will also become weakened, right? So they knew about dementia, even though they didn't call it that. Rather, when the Mishnah said their das becomes even more settled, its meaning is as follows. In their youth, the Torah elders gave up their uh this is back in the era when I translated taivas as addictions, um, which is not wrong, but like, you know, they're there, you know, it really is taiva means lust, but it's not like the English word lust where it's like totally animalistic. You could have taiva for psychological things as well. And also taiva has an addictive quality. So that's why I translate it as addictions. But um, when did I write this? 2009. Okay, so that's uh that was yeah, that was that was this checked out for the era. Okay, um, the Torah elders gave up their addictions to the pleasures of the physical world and chose the path of the good. I might have gotten from Rabbi Moskowitz. Uh, therefore, as they continue to age, their Das becomes more settled. Uh, but I got Das from Rabbi Sachs, the way he uses Das. Uh, this means that they became more reconciled with themselves and their Das became at ease with the decision of their youth. In other words, even though they decided in their youth to abandon their addictions to the pleasures of the physical world and its excesses, it is impossible that they were not occasionally drawn to them. Uh right, so it's not like they're saints and they're perfect, okay? Even though their intellect and that's the opposite of Litz Misus. In other words, it's human nature for your intellect to occasionally get roped into your taivas or even for a period of time. Like let's say you are um needing to make a living and you're you need to make business deals or whatever, you might need to lean into the I need I want to make money, you know, but you're not totally making that your whole world. Even though their intellect opposed this and prevented them from being seduced by the physical pleasures, it is impossible that they did not desire them to some degree. Therefore, their DOS was not completely settled in their youth, for they were caught between two opposing forces. Typo here. Um, okay. So um this is why I'm slowly going through and editing everything. But uh, but yeah, um it's a lot of work. Um less work with AI though. Um, but AI would catch this. Okay. So, in other words, when you're in your youth, you are caught between two poles, but you do make a decision to pursue Torah and that you don't want to get seduced by your physical desires. But the more they continue to age, the more these desires weaken. Their imaginative faculty sees that everything it once fantasized about in the matters of the physical world was pointless, transient, and utterly finite. At this point, it is no longer necessary for their intellect to oppose the imaginative faculty and to dissent, meaning they don't have to fight anymore because they they won. Therefore, their DOS is settled, for they clearly see that that had that they had chosen the good, sorry, that they had chosen the good and result of all it. This is not going to capitalize G the G and the good, and everything that they had forfeited in the matters of the physical world was worthless, and that there is no cause for feeling anxiety over its forfeiture. The opposite befalls the unlearned elders. This is now what the Miri is warning about. Uh in their youth, they were seduced by their addictions to the pleasures of the physical world. Their Das was at ease and reconciled with this, and they didn't care about their intellect's opposition. So their intellect did put up a fight, but they they they didn't listen. But as they continue to age, the physical world withdraws from them and they withdraw from it. They see that everything they once desired and chose in their youth was but nothingness, and that they only inherited falsehood. Um, that's about a Bodhazara, right? Uh yeah, because of this, their Das is not settled with the decision of their youth. Nevertheless, since they did not learn righteousness and they had become habituated and sunken in their bad habits, their intellect lacks the ability to turn completely away from the path which they have taken until now. Therefore, as they continue to age, they will be caught between two paths, and the path will not be theirs. This is why the rabbis of blessed memory, uh, what they intended by the expression their dos is agitated, mitarefes, as in the in the expression, a ship that is mitarefes, stormy, um, uh uh, you know, tossed about. This expression refers to a ship in the middle of the ocean with oppressive waves thrusting the ship from one side to the other, and its sailors are unable to guide it on a single path. Instead, the wind pushes, sometimes to one side and sometimes to the opposite. Likewise are those who are seduced by their addictions to the physical pleasures of this world as they continue to age. For in their youth, their das was settled, but in their old age, their das is agitated. Good call. Good Ron. I mean, this is a reminder of all the Rishonim, the Ron in the Drashas is the one that I feel like he's giving sheer. I mean, it is a Drasha, but like like Rahman has beautiful philosophical essays and philosophical commentaries, but you don't feel like he's giving Sunday sheer. Like he's giving like like Rebbe's Sunday share, you know, like but but with the Ron, you feel like that. Like this is it's just beautiful, you know? Yeah. Yeah. All right. So I I think so that that is the decision point that this he'ara in the Derach Nister is talking about is look, you are gonna struggle with your intellect and your desires, don't sell out, all right? Don't give in and just either either by giving up on pursuing you know, cha with your intellect, or saying, I'm just gonna like subordinate my intellect to the pursuit of the physical, because then you're gonna you're gonna lose out permanently. Yeah. Okay, Vishma Farshim, Moshgas Kinyan Nirpas. Some say moshgas is like muddied, not that the waters stop flowing, but their their clarity is is uh is uh ruined or contaminated um through their uh muddiness. Umat benoni. Mutt is present tense, I think it's been Binoni means in in grammatic grammar from back then. Komo note lihachnea tahtav. Oh no, it means like he hasn't fallen, he's falling, right? He's note lahachne tahtav, not subjugated like in the previous one. Um the Russia, home lahon veosha. The Russia uh yearns uh for, I mean, he literally cries out for for uh fortune and wealth. Um by the way, uh I I mentioned this from time to time. I think I wrote about this also. Russia Teahilim. Oh, yeah, is a Russia evil? Um uh uh from 2012, yeah. Um Ibn Ezra on the first possible defines Russia not as um evil. He says, according to my opinion, the word Rashim refers to people who are in a constant state of flux, in the sense of the Rushime are like the troubled sea, incapable of rest. Likewise, wherever he turned himself, he unsettled them, Yarshia, and he grants quiet to who can agitate. For this reason, it says follow in conjunction with the Rashim. So there are Mafarshim, uh not just Ibn Ezra, on this public who say that Rashim in in Tilum 1-1 is not evildoers, but people who are seeking wealth, which is just be aware that there is a use of Russia that way. It's not something that's talked about uh by people. Um, they automatically assume it's evil. Voligios, that sounds like I don't know if that sounds like what he's saying. I don't know if he's saying that is who the Russia is, or the Russia is an evildoer and he here seeks wealth. Let's see. But in Kishat Tzadik lefam sarf Ladav Ladabra ima Russia, when the Tsadi sometimes needs to speak with the Russia, Belius note, and to incline after him, Loya Giehu Mizekris. He will not um uh get a um uh blemish or degradation from him. Rak ma'a shato, just temporary. Huki inin hamain hani prosperog line, just like if you trample the muddy the waters with your feet. Shamain macabella, makabalos achirus ma'at le shatan. Um the water just gets a little bit dirty temporarily. But Achar Kah, posum, then they go back to normal. Oh, whoa. You should not refrain from sometimes uh subduing yourself before the Russia. So this is another mistake people make, right? Is that there are people who look at America, right? The two sides, there's this guy's a Russia, I will never work with him under any circumstances. It's a misguided idealism. Now, there it doesn't stem from here. Here it comes from a fear that you're gonna be corrupted. But in other words, there are people who would just say, I refuse to deal with the Russia in any way whatsoever. And he's saying that no, that's not practical. You do need to do this, and if you're tsodic, you will not be corrupted. Now, but the thing is you are putting yourself at risk. He's not saying that, but I think you are. He says, Why did the the khachamim get up early to go to the doors of the ashirim? And it's not the other way around. Right. So that's a good example, right? Is that look, I mean, talk to anyone who's uh uh uh needs to do fundraising, you gotta sometimes uh appeal to the Rash'im to get funds for Torah, right? Um okay, so that's that's interesting, right? So so this is is giving you advice to not worry that you're gonna be corrupted. But I again I think there's an unstated worry here. You can go too far. We all know that it is possible for the Tadi to sell out uh totally. Yeah. Uh dark nister, according to this derek Nister, Kishekhil the Tadik notilaknya, achara komer, gamkin ma'at. So when the sechel of the Tadik inclines to subdue itself unto the Khomeir a little bit, who khose lokmuso, it'll go back to its original state. Achar Shaino Nimshak Akharov rak lefiatzor, because it's only partaking of it based on its need. This is what I expected the miri to say. This is a very big miri in derek Nistar, is that sometimes you do need to give into the into the uh homer sorek, or in moderation. Um, otherwise you end up going to the side of asceticism, which is bad, or you go to asceticism and then you bounce back and give into the Taivatorally. So that's um you need to give a uh a bribe to the Sagan. All right, the he'arash lolhami sachomer micovoko. Yeah, there you go. Yeah. It's uh telling you not to kill the physicality like the ascetics do, of all the tamishbo last uh l sha'os regime kviatorah, but to cater to them temporarily and momentarily according to the need. Okay, this is good. By the way, this is solid proof for my entire approach to the Mi Iris, Derech Nisr and Derech Nigle, which is it's not just taking the posuk literally and then coming up with some random allegory. It's it is applying the same idea from the Derech Nigla to the structure and the subject matter of the Nisr, which is the internal um faculties of the soul. Yeah. Uh I've I have thought about that before. I have not worked it out. That's interesting. Yeah. I have to think about that. I have to think about whether the Tadik is is self. Yeah, but the self, the Segel is not the self, is not self in IFS entirely. They're not exactly the same. I have to go back and yeah. I mean, me, that's one of the summer projects. I want to reread um the No Bad Parts. Uh I think it's time to reread it again. Okay. Um I don't know. If you guys have to go, you have to go. I I want to read the whole Miri, so I'm gonna I'm gonna keep on going. So um had Shasheni. Okay, but the Derach Nigla of the second Pierush, Imheyoso Nezar Bdirchmiha Musar Komajbiana, although it is supported by the Dibir Chmiha Musar, as we explained, Holik Im Divirchal. Whoa, it's arguing with Khazal. Shamru, Tamikham dom arts, le ketone shall zahav. So tamakhachum before an Ammarts is comparable to a uh a um oh yeah, but there's a word that I like for ketone. Maybe I think of container canteen, that's the word a canteen of gold. I don't know if that's real, but I I just associate to that. Yeah. Oh, okay. Uh uh, yeah, I actually was not associating, I was just associating to the the uh consonants, ketone and cantine. Yeah, uh ketone shell kesef. If he's I think super probably means um he converses with him, right? I don't know if he is told from him, uh right. I think he's converse conversing, then he's comparable to a ketone shell kesef, that's less. If he benefits from him, domelo keton shall cheres, then he's like a clay ketone. Shakivin Shinishbar, shrub and lotgan. Once he breaks, can't fix it. Okay, so so this is saying, in other words, this is saying you should not interact with the anvarats.
SPEAKER_03Right.
SPEAKER_00And you could be permanently ruined. Vish Latzadeh Pirusho Baderach. Now I don't know if Latzadin means you can um uh like compromise here. Let's see what he says from another way. When the tzadik is faltering before the Russia, uh, who makes light of him and degrades him, who yi kabo oncho, he receives his ownish. Oh, sorry, no, the guy receives his ownish, but tzadik lo tikramma Allah subakah. And the Tadi will not uh uh attain he'll his mala will not be blemished from this. Of all who combine shadow, he'll return to clarity. So this is one of the uh This is in line with the idea that you should be the people among the people who are insulted but don't insult back. And this is in line with their statement. You should be among those who are insulted but don't insult back. They hear their degradation and they don't respond. The puzzle says, and uh uh Ohav, those who love him or his loved ones, I always forgot how to translate that, is like this the sun emerging in its power. Okay, so so this is I think he is saying that uh so is he how is he resolving this machlokus between the Musar and the and Khazal? He started saying according to Khachamin Musar, it's sometimes necessary to interact with the Russia and you're not going to be harmed. But then the statement of Khazal is saying that no, you can be harmed. So is he is his Yeshlit Sadeid a resolution? That's what I feel like he's trying to do. Because it sounds like he's siding with the the Khachmeha Muser, right? Because he's saying that that um that oh or maybe okay, maybe it's like this. There's a potential for both. They will insult you. And if you are not one of the Ne'Alavim Veinam Olvim, if you and or you you hear your khairpa and then you you respond, then you will be corrupted. Then he's dragging you down into into his uh level, right? What's the uh what's the thing with the the the the proverb with the fool? Don't get right. Oh no, no, with a pig? Yeah, never never wrestle with pigs. You both get dirty and pig line. No, and the pig lines, no, that's not the one.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00Don't argue with the don't argue, yeah, within with yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Right, right. Don't never argue with stupid people, they'll drag you down to their love and beat you with experience. It's really is actually more like Misley, um, like Mishle in uh the 265, right? Which is uh no, 26.4. I'll tanksil kivalta pentish velogamata. Don't respond to a fool according to a splitness, lest you be equated with him. So in other words, like I think I think that's what the uh this is saying here is like if he insults you and you don't buy into that value system and you realize okay, this is a temporary thing, so then you will not be affected, and that's like the Khachamin Musir. But if you do let yourself get uh uh insulted by him or you respond back, then you'll get broken. You know, then you're just gonna end up like him. Um okay. Um alasam um the covot ha olev mismote. You I can also explain in this that they will remain in their mala, and the covot of the olev is mismoteit. That's kind of like what I was just saying, right? That the true tzadim will remain in their mala, but the covot of the actual person who gets insulted will falter. But umrim katshemish. Oh, sorry. Oh, yeah, yeah, sorry. No, yeah, it's not like what I was saying. Ha olev mismote, right, right. Yeah, so that is if you this is going back with if a tzadi does the right thing, this guy's gonna look like an idiot or degrading the tzadi. Um uh uh umro ktehesh der uh nemodus. Okay, that's like poetic. Let's see how far this goes. Minun of the drush. Okay, we're almost done. Shahalavana Kitarga Alham. So the the this is the moon. Um what do you call it? Like uh starting up with the sun, like um, right? So he's fighting with the sun saying, is it possible for two kings to use one crown? Umrlah, so the sun, yeah, no, umar. Who's the amar? Oh god, yeah, yeah, God said to it. Go and diminish yourself, right? Uh agata hai, uva mesh nemar bah, you alai kapara, shemiyatati es har yareah, bir sha inzem como so uh even though in this agata uh the this agata agata hahi uvamesh nemarba, alay kapara. Okay, so even though the I guess there's another part of the kar which says bring kapara for me because uh I've um diminished the moon. Um this is about Rosh Kodash the yeah on Rosh Kodash, right? Uh the Khatas, right, yeah. Um so Bir Sha'in Zemakum. Okay, that explanation's not in this place. Uh, this is not a place for it. So the the sun emerges in its strength, but the moon darkens. Al Ze Amar Hina Shatik Yashuga Malazu Kim at Sha'rega. Tadi will return to his stature almost immediately. And he'll is it the Tsadi gets his ownish? That's why I thought not earlier. Sounds like here he's saying the tzadi gets his ownish. I don't know. You could explain it about refraining from rebuke. When the tzadik is uh nimad. Oh, trampled?
SPEAKER_01Or no, they're like shaking wobbly, right?
SPEAKER_00Uh okay, that that would that would make sense. Um yeah, yeah. Slipping. Yeah, slipping or foundering. Uh when he's slipping and foundering, good call. Before the rush of Inom Muchiko Almas of Ryan, he does not rebuke him for his evil actions. Who Kamayan Hanirbas? Then he's like a trample well spring, I share Tcholoso Nichova of Gunasobatayala. Yeah, okay, fine. So there's a good me iri. I don't care about this last part. There's a good me iri though, right? So in other words, and it's they're complementary, which is that that some that um it sarik, the first one was that it's a I lost my place. The first one was it's aik um yeah. Wait, wait, wait, wait, yeah, the second one, right?
SPEAKER_03I was like I made the same mistake.
SPEAKER_00Right, right. So it is warning that the Sadiq should say he can be harmed by the uh the Russia, at least in his influence. Yeah, right. Right. Yeah, right. So that no, that that's like the Mazuz David. That's what we said about the Mazu's David. So that's the warning we said. But sometimes it's it it's necessary for the Tsadi to interact and even cater to the Russia um for practical purposes, but then you got to be careful to not bind his value system. That's the right relationship between the three. Yeah, okay. Um, I'm gonna stop the recording and then say the the personal uh uh relationship with the puzzle. Um, I'll pause it just.